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In a profound episode of Gloves Off After Dark , Dr. Kalpana Sundar and Joshua T. Berglan take the conversation to a deeply personal level, tackling a question many people struggle with: Why do we stay in relationships that are clearly dead?
The discussion quickly moves beyond simple emotional attachment to expose a far more powerful anchor: identity attachment. This article explores the core themes unpacked in this raw, illuminating exchange, providing critical insight for anyone navigating the complex journey of self-discovery and healthy partnership.
Dr. Sundar opens the conversation by positing that people often stay in expired relationships not out of overwhelming love for the other person, but because their identity is fundamentally attached to the relationship itself.
For many, giving up the partnership means sacrificing a hard-won title: "committed wife," "husband," or "partner." The fear of losing this established persona—the "college sweetheart" story, for example—often outweighs the pain of the dead relationship.
Joshua T. Berglan highlights an even darker facet of this codependent cycle: the role of secrets and abandonment issues.
"They were the bearers of my secrets... they knew my drug use, the crimes I was doing, all those secrets that became my prison."
This reveals a powerful, toxic dynamic where the partner becomes both the warden and the only perceived witness to one’s "monster." This knowledge creates a distorted sense of safety and dependency, making the break feel like a leap into a terrifying, unmasked void. The hosts concur that, for many, the devil you know is better than the devil you don't.
Both Dr. Sundar and Berglan share experiences of adopting multiple personas —a concept they see as a non-extreme form of Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) that many people experience.
Dr. Sundar, a surgeon, speaks about having a distinct professional persona, a wife persona, and a mother persona—none of which felt like her authentic self. The simple act of putting on the white coat triggered an immediate drop into an "insincere, inauthentic version" of herself.
Berglan, who has openly discussed his own journey with DID, explains his need to quit "disassociating" and performing. He realized that separating his business life from his personal life was another form of masking. His solution? Authentic storytelling.
"My personal life is my business, and my business is my personal life. I don't want to have to switch gears. I just want to be able to be in my identity all the time."
The shift from performer mode to genuine self is often met with loneliness and isolation. The hosts emphasize that this is a necessary stage, a clearing that creates a vacuum for the right people to enter.
The conversation pivots to defining what a healthy, successful partnership looks like after the journey of self-discovery.
Both agree that the fairy tale ideal of romance is often fleeting and synthetic. Instead of prioritizing the "synthetic high" of romantic gestures, they advocate for finding a true teammate —a partner whose goals and ambitions are aligned with your own.
Dr. Sundar likens romance to seasoning in a recipe, while partnership, shared goals, and mutual support are the main, foundational ingredients.
A key point of alignment is purpose. You cannot truly live in your purpose unless you know your identity. And if you are not living in your truth, you cannot attract a proper, aligned partnership.
The episode culminates with a discussion on the deeper work of integrating the Divine Masculine and Divine Feminine energies within oneself. They clarify that this concept has nothing to do with sexuality, but rather with finding wholeness by embodying both assertive/action-oriented (Masculine) and receptive/flowing (Feminine) qualities. The consensus: doing this inner work makes attracting an aligned partner infinitely easier.
Ultimately, the most critical question in the journey to a healthy life and relationship is: "Do I actually like me?"
Answering that question with a resounding "yes," separate from external qualifiers like success, relationships, or purpose, is the foundation of true self-acceptance. It allows you to protect your energy, set healthy boundaries, and attract a tribe that supports your true, powerful, and unique self without the need to shrink or perform.
Ready to explore your own relationship patterns and path to authentic identity? Watch the full episode above to hear the unscripted truth from Dr. Kalpana Sundar and Joshua T. Berglan.
